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AI consciousness debate: Anthropic, Claude, and the pope

Margaret Brennan
Margaret Brennan
October 2, 2026 10:18 pm
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Anthropic’s Christopher Olah, a dark-haired, clean-shaven man in a suit, shakes hands with Pope Leo XIV.
Anthropic’s Christopher Olah shakes hands with Pope Leo XIV at the Vatican on May 25, 2026. | Alberto Pizzoli / AFP via Getty Images

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Happy Friday. This week’s AI debate hasn’t been about robot apocalypse scenarios so much as whether advanced models can be considered conscious.

Anthropic, the company behind the large language model Claude, has signaled it’s open to that possibility. The New York Times reported the company spent the past year consulting religious thinkers across faiths as it tried to chart an ethical path for Claude. Some of those interlocutors observed that members of Anthropic’s team were “relating to [Claude] like a conscious being” and attributing a degree of “moral status.”

On the opposite side of the argument is Pope Leo XIV, who has argued that AI cannot replace humanity. His encyclical “Magnifica Humanitas” earlier this year emphasized that AI will never be able to replace humans and reportedly “alarmed” Anthropic co-founder Christopher Olah. This week the pope reiterated the distinction between humans and machines, posting on X: “There is an ontological difference, even before an aesthetic one, between art and what a machine can generate through statistical calculation based on millions of images created by others. Algorithms lack the spark of humanity.”

Loneliness machines

Whether or not you accept that AI is conscious (I don’t), tech companies clearly design models to encourage social interaction. OpenAI and Meta both introduced new AI agents — Dots and Muse, respectively — last month, promoting companionable interactions.

But a new, still-under-review study suggests that such AI companionship may harm young users. UNC Chapel Hill professor Anne Maheux, the study’s lead researcher, told Vox that middle school students who used AI for emotional intimacy and companionship developed greater loneliness over time.

Maheux argues chatbots lack the “friction” present in human relationships — the push-and-pull dynamics that make real connections. Instead, chatbots tend to be “sycophantic, highly agreeable, anthropomorphized,” which can lead children to form expectations about interactions that are “fundamentally at odds with a normal human relationship.”

In short: people still matter, even as companies encourage us to treat machines like companions.

One link for later

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Source: vox.com

Margaret Brennan

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Margaret Brennan

Moderator, "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan"; Chief foreign affairs correspondent; Contributing correspondent, 60 Minutes

Margaret Brennan is moderator of "Face the Nation with Margaret Brennan" on CBS & TFR (The Fast Report) Based in Washington, D.C., Brennan is also the Network's chief foreign affairs correspondent and a contributing correspondent to 60 Minutes. Additionally, she appears regularly on the "CBS Evening News," leading coverage from Washington when news breaks on the political and foreign affairs fronts.

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